The Dark History of Jeffery Epstein and the Client List | Ep 356

Summary
In this episode, Clayton Cuteri delves into the complex and controversial case of Jeffrey Epstein, exploring his connections to political elites, the timeline of his criminal activities, and the implications of his 2019 arrest and subsequent death. The conversation highlights the ongoing conspiracy theories surrounding Epstein's client list, the public's distrust in government investigations, and the potential cover-ups involving powerful figures. Cuteri emphasizes the need for transparency and accountability in the wake of these revelations, urging listeners to take action and support movements that seek to expose the truth.

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00:00 - Intro
00:53 - The Jeffrey Epstein Case: A Brief Overview
04:13 - Epstein's Connections and Alleged Intelligence Ties
08:32 - The Timeline of Epstein's Criminal Activities
13:20 - The 2019 Arrest and Mysterious Death
17:36 - The Client List Controversy
22:45 - Political Implications and Cover-Up Theories
29:35 - Recent Developments and Public Reactions
35:40 - Conclusions and Future Implications

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Transcript

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consciousness, exploring spiritual journeys to find answers in uncertainty. What is up conscious monkeys? Welcome back to another episode of Traveling to Consciousness. As always, I'm your host, Klinky Terry. Today's podcast, we're getting into a political one and it may be one that is going to be a good beginner podcast. If you've never heard of Jeffrey Epstein, if you've never heard of him, if you don't remember the history of it, we're to get it in. in today, excuse me. So today we are going to be talking about Jeffrey Epps Epstein, the financier who ran a sex trafficking network involving underage girls and how it has implications with the political elite. We're going to be diving into some of the verified, unverified and potentially true theories involving it. And, well, it's gonna be an interesting one that takes us all the way back from the 1990s up into present day. So for those of you who don't know, Jeffrey Epstein uh was a financier who ran a sex trafficking network. It involved underage girls and it spanned from about 1990s beginning of the 1990s up until 2019. He had a private island uh known famously as Epstein Island. but it was little St. James Island and it's in the US Virgin Islands and was a key location for all of these crimes that were committed. And interestingly enough, if you remember Pinocchio, there's actually a reference to it in Pinocchio uh where there's these two foxes that are getting into a booth in a restaurant and they're talking about how there's an island where kids go and don't come back as kids anymore. And they're like super freaked out. And it's actually a very disturbing scene. So I highly recommend you go. So this was like a something that people knew about going back all the way to whenever Pinocchio was created. But so from a high level summary after his death in 2019, which was officially ruled a suicide, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, some conspiracy theories emerged about a quote client list of powerful associates and possible ties to Israel's massage. or at least an intelligence agency in the Middle East or possibly the CIA. Then in 2025, the Trump administration who was handling is handling all these Epstein related files, which is led by attorney general, Pam Bondi, the FBI director, Cash Patel sparked accusations of deception for promising but failing to deliver this client list that was one of Trump's promises. Epstein and his associate, Ghislaine Ghislaine Ghislaine Maxwell were convicted of trafficking minors yet nobody else was prosecuted. So they were convicted of selling kids to somebody but we don't know who any of those somebodies are or were which is raising questions about a cover up. And of course this happens very simultaneously in coincidence. around the same time as P Diddy's trial, where he was basically found not guilty on the sex trafficking charges. So let's dive in in this episode into a deep timeline of what happened with Jeffrey Epstein, Trump's administration, and some ties potentially to a massage, which is Israel, Israel's version of the CIA. So going all the way back to the 1980s and the 1990s, this is where our story starts with Epstein's early connections and some of his quote unquote alleged intelligence ties. So as we go through this episode, I am going to note things that are a hundred percent verified and things that are quote unquote unverified. But if you have common sense, they would make perfect sense. So some things that are absolutely verified is that we have Jeffrey Epstein building a network of influential contacts. which include Robert Maxwell, who was a British media mogul and the father of Ghislaine Maxwell, uh Epstein's associates and his mistress, uh all of this verified by Vanity Affair. They did profiles, there's court documents, and then Epstein goes and starts soliciting high profile figures. And namely, most of them being the most prominent three that we know of would be Bill Clinton, who obviously has sexual history. We have Donald Trump. obviously, and we have Prince Andrew. These are like the big three names, at least especially for our story that we are aware of. Now, NBC has archived footage and Elon Musk actually retweeted this or tweeted it out recently, which is footage from 1992, which showed Trump and Epstein at Mar-Lago, which is Trump's address, where Trump later confirms in a 2019 statement that they fell out over a property dispute, which ended up banning Epstein from the resort. But in 1992, they were filmed partying with girls. Of course, they were very young, no one knows. I don't really know the exact ages. That's not that's verified in the film. But then, coincidentally, in 1992, there's a claim that is somewhat unverified. But there's an Ari Ben Menashe Menashe, a former Israeli intelligence officer. who claimed in his 1992 book, Prophets of War, and there was a claim in the 2020 Times of Israel, there are interviews that Epsine was recruited by Jelaine Maxwell to work for Mossad and thus running this honeypot operation, which the goal of it was to blackmail elites with photos of them and underage girls. Now, of course, we don't have any primary evidence of this other than that book. ah And then the article in the New York Times or in the Times of Israel. But, you know, I feel like that's pretty substantiated. And then we also have another instance where, quote unquote, unverified. have Robert Maxwell again. That's Jelaine's father who was rumored to have been a Mossad asset. Again, this was in the Times of Israel in twenty twenty one, which cited his nineteen ninety one funeral. Which was. In it, was citing his 1991 funeral, which was attended by Israeli officials like Yetzeh Shamir, who also documented intelligence agent. But no true pure documents confirm that Maxwell's massage ties or that Epstein had a connection through him other than Jelaine. But of course, if you're a secret covert agency, are you really going to have papers lying around that directly tie these. So, you know, it's technically unverified in air quotes, but I mean, you you're the judge, you make your own connections there. So then we move forward into 1998 to 2005, and we have Epstein's criminal activities and then the operations that are starting to kind of go on in the island. And so what is verified and is factual across all accounts, is that Epstein was operating a sex trafficking network, which should fall under Rico, but that's a whole nother conversation involving underage girls at his properties, including Little St. James or Epstein Island, which was a queue, which is the key location. This was the primary location for abuse. And this is where victim testimonies in court documents consistently pointed to this island of where they were performing underage. Well, where These ladies when they were underage were performing sexual acts with prominent figures. And so then in 2021, we have actually a release of some of the flight logs from Epstein's private jet. And of course there we have Trump's name is actually all over these. If you look for them, if you look through them, I actually did a quick deep dive and found his name several times, which confirmed trips to this Island by a bunch of his associates. And of course, having your name on a plane flight doesn't necessarily breed factual evidence of underage sexual content with minors, but I'll let you fill in the gaps. then have uh one of Epstein's victims in 2020, again, by the Times of in a Times of Israel interview by the name of Maria Farmer. And she said that Epstein's operation was a massage blackmail scheme. said it was operated by my side essentially to infiltrate the United States and infiltrate other governments in order to gain control, gain leverage, gain blackmail over top officials. And her claims, she says that she reported this to the FBI in the 90s. But without corroboration, they couldn't do anything. And so they essentially just let it go for lack of a better word and It's seriously unfortunate that nothing was done back then. I could have prevented a probably a whole bunch of other girls from being trafficked. It's crazy. moving forward in the timeline, there's an initial investigation and a plea that happened between 2005 and 2008. So what is verified, what's on the record, what's factual statements is that in 2005 to 2006, Palm Beach police did investigate Epstein for sexual abuse of minors and they basically uncovered a trafficking network. And this is by police reports. And also Julie Brown created a, wrote a book in 2021, create title of perversion of justice. And the case referred to, uh, the FBI. And then in 2008, uh you know, a couple of years later, we have Epstein pleading guilty. to state charges of soliciting prostitution from a minor in Florida and receiving a lenient, very lenient 13 month sentence with a work release under a plea deal overseen by this was now by a US attorney, Alex Acosta, who does not have a good track record on this. But this is all exactly by, you know, per court records, all on the books. And of course, again, no clients prosecuted despite evidence, pure evidence of Epstein trafficking girls to other people. And this is really the first time we get the sparks of a cover up. And you mean you have to ask yourself was Alex Acosta a part of this? We don't know. It's just a question because how could you get such a lenient, a lenient 13 month sentence? And then there's no victims. I mean, sorry, there are victims, of course, but there's no clients. who are also going to trafficking. you have a situation where they're basically saying like, you know, he created, think of it this way, if it's like a robbery, right? They're saying there was a robbery, he did it with multiple other people, but we don't really know who the other people were. But because he did it, they're there. So it's like me, it's like saying you're going to jail for selling drugs, but none of the, there's no one else to sell them to. We don't know who you sold them to. There's no evidence. We don't know who the other people are. So all of this is just, is this where it starts becoming just a big question mark? Is this, this is like the time whenever it's like, well, what's going on here? But again, 2008, you have the financial collapse, you have the housing collapse. And I don't really think too many people were paying attention to Epstein at the time. At least I don't know because in 2008, wow, this is crazy to date myself, but I would have been in eighth grade. So I know I certainly was not paying attention to anyone by the name of Epstein. And then also around this timeframe, we have again, this would be like slightly an unverified sort, like it's not on the books verified. But there are critics out there um like Brown mentioned earlier, who suggest that the plea deal protected powerful figures due to Epstein's intelligence ties. And it could be the massage, it could be CIA. But again, they didn't really have physical evidence to solidify this or to completely secure this. moving forward. And then there's not really too much going forward, but I don't really know what happens between 2008 and 2019. But 2019 was whenever it like all sparked back up again and whenever it all started to become a hot topic because in 2019, July 6th, in fact, we have Epstein getting arrested in New York on federal sex trafficking charges. for activities from 2002 to 2005 per the U.S. Attorney's Office. So I don't know. I couldn't really find it. What sparked this. But for some reason the U.S. Attorney went back in. I don't know who the U.S. Attorney's Office was at this point in time. But he went back in and they said we need to reinvestigate this. We need to look again. And they decided to go after him I guess. So then on August 10th of 2019 Epstein was then found dead in his cell. So you have it less than a month later of him being arrested to him, quote unquote, being found dead in a cell at a metropolitan correctional center, which immediately was ruled by a suicide. Of course, we have broken cameras. We have sleeping guards. have, you know, the roof access was not being attended to. You know, there's also apparently three broken neck bones. which is not common. Again, I'm not an expert on hanging victims, but this is not a uh common item that is found within people who hang themselves. And all of this started fueling conspiracies of what happened. Was it actually a suicide? And I mean, not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but we've even got to a point now where people are bringing up evidence where they've seen pictures of him in Israel again. Who knows? Right. Like that could all just be conspiratorial. I'm not sitting here, but like it's a valid question of if he's even dead for sure, especially if you were this high up in a, in a global sex trafficking ring that clearly had influence over political figures. So then, so at the time the attorney general, uh, who was a William Barr. That's who it was. Uh, he, was the one who confirmed the suicide rolling, uh, and just set up his quote was, uh, It was a perfect storm of screw ups. It's just so many coincidental things happen at the right time and he just pulled the trigger to hang himself. And so I personally just think it's comical and I honestly don't believe in coincidences anymore. And I think when you get to a certain age and you see how many quote unquote coincidences occur, it's just not, it's not real. Like the coincidences to me just aren't real anymore. It's just. their synchronicities is just patterns. It's what was meant to happen. It's just not like, oh, this happened, that happened. wow. That happened. Like, what a coincidence. It's like, no, it was designed that way, whether it was designed by God or designed by man. You can, you know, pick your poison. But I seriously don't think anything's just a coincidence anymore. And so then going back to Julie Brown's book in the pervasion of justice, which again was written in twenty twenty one. She notes that there are strong similarities between Epstein's death and Robert Maxwell's mysterious death in 1991. And then she goes on to speculate that they would have been in a massacred assassination attempt. She even suggests that Epstein possible ties to massage via Maxwell, his mistress warrant investigations. And I think that's completely valid. Everything we said. But there has been, again, no evidence to a hundred percent confirm this, you know, and then We also have people like Dan Bongina and Cash Patel who amplified these theories on their podcasts. And this was before that they were, you know, uh sitting directors and high level people within the Trump administration. But on their podcast, uh they said that he was murdered to protect a client list. Okay. And so this is where the first time we get into talking about a client list gets put out there with a ton of people. Um, putting out there that there's probably a massage or CIA, you know, connection or involvement. Again, it's hard to find concrete proof that connects these, but if you are a CIA massage agent, of course they're going to do a good job of scrubbing it up. Again, that doesn't validate it. That doesn't mean that they are, you know, you're not going to find any evidence out there of me being a massage or a CIA agent, but that doesn't like invalidate it. You know, it's like, Well, if you're not, you have to prove that you're not. How do you prove that you're not something? It's one of those things. It's like, okay, like how, how in the world would you even do that? Um, and, and I think the, another important thing for us to discuss regarding the client list, again, this could go to a war on language, right? It's like, for instance, I could write on a piece of paper client Epstein client list, and then start writing names underneath it. Now I have a physical document. That's a client list. If I burn that list now in theory or in the word of language, there's no more client list because I just burnt it. But that doesn't mean that there doesn't exist the people who would have been his clients, right? Do you get what I'm saying here? And this is important to note as we move forward because from 2021 to 2023, we have a little bit of development with Giseline Maxwell because she gets convicted in 2021. as essentially Epstein's associate and his mistress. And she's she's convicted on sex trafficking minors and is sentenced to 20 years per court records. And just like Epstein's 2008 case, there's no clients persecuted. Despite the evidence, the mounting evidence that they have that they were sex trafficking all the girls that have come forward and said it. But yet. There's no evidence to me or sorry, there is evidence, but there's no client list. And to me, that's just it's insanity. It's like saying there was a house that burnt down and they're accused someone of arson, but there was no match. Like they couldn't find a match. Like the match doesn't exist or something. It's like, geez, man, I can't even think of a good example, but you guys know what I'm saying. And so because of this way, the way the thing rolled out, uh there was no client list produced. um So, you know, and it didn't, you know, the way that she kind of, I think, just probably accepted the plea deal. It was probably to protect the client list. It was probably to protect any ties with intelligence agencies. And then going back to Brown's 2021 book uh and her or sorry, Brown's Times of Israel interview. um They took notes that brought that Robert Maxwell, his funeral attendees again into Israeli intelligence um suggested that there were massage massage ties. And even in 2023, Dan Bongino questioned the Epstein investigation on his podcast, basically asking, you know, you know, he's like, what are they hiding? Like he asked that point plain. He's like, he knew they were hiding something. And he even called for Kash Patel. for the FBI, or I'm sorry, Cash Patel called for the FBI to release the Epstein files. And you have to remember too, and I think we're probably getting there, right? Which is that during the 2024 campaign, Donald Trump promised the declassification of these files once reelected, and he did it on multiple occasions. There's one actual video where, you know, and I think this one's really telling, and this should have been the, uh the canary in the coal mine, if you will, is I forget, I think it's probably on Fox News and he's sitting there and they're like, okay, round robin. Let's go quick. He's like, all right. He's like, would you release the 9 11 files? He goes, yeah. Would you release JFK? Yeah. Would you release MLK? Yeah. Would you release Epstein? Yeah. But maybe not him so much because there could be innocent people in there. And I'm just thinking, this is crazy guys. Like this is insane. This is actually getting to a point of insanity where it just feels it's just it feels gross. You know how like whenever you're out, maybe you're at a bar, like you're even just meeting people like a networking event. You just get like a weird feeling from someone. And it like, I don't know what's wrong with this person, but it's like I you can just tell there's something going on. That is this entire situation. And I think that the general public and the American people for sure can feel that. And that's why there's so much distrust right now within the government, within Trump. And it's this feeling that they need to come out and just be honest. And they're not. we'll get we're going to get into what they have not been honest about, because this is where it starts to all explode and become out of control. um Because we have in November, we're moving forward, right? November 2024, Cash Patel, he was in an interview with John Johnson. He emphasized the importance of revealing the truth. and he emphasized the importance of getting the Epstein list out there. And that's 100 % true. He should have, we should have. But guess what? Guess what starts to happen. we start to get lied to. We start to get our legs pulled with all the charades, all the drama that they try to create in politics because it's better to just kind of wave your hands around instead of giving people factual evidence to show them. Because on February 27th of 2025, Attorney General Pam Bonney released the Epstein files phase ones. And what they did was they invited in conservative influencers into the White House, gave them these binders, and then had this whole media parade where they were like flinging them around, like, look at how cool we are because we have all these like files. Meanwhile, it was nothing new. It was no new information. And it was just complete garbage. The documents completely lacked any revelations and they were disappointing to everyone. And then afterwards, I don't know if it was at the same day, but just briefly after that, Bonnie was sitting there claiming that a client list is on her desk and then accused the FBI of withholding those documents, demanding action from Cash Patel, the FBI director. And they did that in a DOJ statement. So, you know, now you'd start creating this like little mirage of infighting, which can be kind of cute, a good little play for the plebs, right, for the common people, because they don't. They don't really need to know this privileged information. This is just for us. You know, we're going to get to these positions of power by telling people that we're going to release these lists. We're going to use that anger and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to do it. And then once they're in power, completely lie and backtrack on maybe one of the most important issues that certainly helped Trump get across the finish line. Don't get me wrong. That's a very important thing to everyone. mean, imagine, imagine there's all of these sex traffickers and you don't know who they are. They're just gone free, scot-free. They're gone. They're out of there. They're free from any anything wrong in the physical domain. Of course, there's karma in the afterlife and we'll have to reckon with their creator and all that stuff. But what justice what does that show as a a What does that show? as a... what's it called? as a precedent for us, for anyone who gets into high positions of power. Because then moving forward in March of 2025, Bambandi on Fox News said that the DOJ is preparing more releases and she referred to tens of thousands of videos involving Epstein and of miners. Tens of thousands of videos. That means that there is clients. That means that they exist. There's no way this dude was just sex trafficking kids to himself. It just doesn't work like that. You don't go to jail for that. I mean, you could. Don't get me wrong. You definitely could. And people do. Don't get me wrong. But who this guy was, his position of authority, his power, all of this, it's just hoopla. It just doesn't make sense. Tens of thousands of videos, insane. And then I remember Cash Patel going on and saying, we're not going to re-victimize the victims. Why would we release that? It's like, we don't give a shit. We don't give a shit about the victims. care. Sorry, let me rephrase that. We care about the victims in the sense that they should get everything they need in order to get their life back on track because evil was perpetuated on them. 100 % we care about that. But what we care about is justice. for the evil people that were doing these acts to these kids, to these innocent children. We don't care about the victims in that sense. We care about knowing who the pedophiles are. So for Cash Patel to go on Joe Rogan and make that comment, it's just, it's mind boggling. If they're trying to be honest, if they're trying to be transparent, that's mind boggling. But if they're trying to deceive us, then it's like, okay, yeah, if you're trying to gaslight me, into believing that that's what I'm asking for, then yeah, of course. Now it makes sense. Anyhow, moving along, then we have Elon and Trump's falling out. That's the next thing that kind of occurs in recent events, where in June of 2025, we had Elon Musk tweeting that Trump was in or is in the Epstein files. And then he deleted that post and said that he went too far. Were you lying? Were you just were you that mad? Were you that out of control that you just lied about it? But this is a guy who created Tesla, helped with PayPal, created SpaceX, and we're supposed to believe that he just lost control for a second there. I went too far and just sounded like he was in the Epstein files. Like what? I'm not a billionaire yet. And I even have the decency to not just go on an ex tirade and flip out and say certain people are inside the Epstein files. Like to me, it's just who aren't, especially when it's a high rank, it's the president of the United States. And you were the person who basically pushed his campaign over the edge and funded it to get him there in the first place. So did you know he was in the Epstein files before you funded his campaign? Are you only calling him out now? after the fact now that you're out of the office and he basically increased this federal spending fund the federal spending limit by five trillion dollars. You allowed your kid around him. You knew about the app that he was in Epstein files then. I mean, it's just all of it stinks to high heaven. And then a week ago, it all starts to go crazy because on July 6th, 2025, the DOJ and FBI released a memo that included the following items. Number one, that there is no client list. It doesn't exist. He didn't have any clients. We just have been lying to you the entire time. Or are you lying to us now? They also said that there was no evidence that supported Epstein was black mailing the elites. They also said that Epstein death was indeed a suicide backed by the 11 hours of surveillance video that they gave to us despite a whole missing minute. And they tried to explain that it some sort of routine reset. And I've mentioned to this before me being in software, being in uh engineering, being in security that doesn't happen. That's not a real thing. You don't on a high security prison. You don't just cut out one minute. Furthermore, they went back in and saw that it was actually a compilation of different videos that had been stitched together. Someone ran the video analysis on it. So the entire thing is just a charade and they're lying to us with that as well. And this memo was signed by Pam Bondi, Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. And I think that they also ordered to seal the material of the 10,000 plus videos with the sexual abuse and the court ceilings. And so what is the response for the next week? July 7th to the 12th recording this on July 13th. Trump supporters go on a tirade accusing Bondi and Patel of a cover up for failing to deliver a client list that they had constantly said existed. It constantly said was there and now it's just gone. Never existed. Sorry. And then you have Trump in front of the media. saying that he was a creep on July 8th, saying he was a creep. Why are we still talking about him? Why do you care about him? Why does it matter? Because it matters for us, for the American people to know if our ranking officials A, are being blackmailed by a foreign agency. First of all, that is the biggest enchilada is that if our elected officials are being blackmailed by a foreign country, that is huge. That is... its own story all on its own, but then add on top of that the facts that they're using child sex trafficking to do it, which means not only are they being blackmailed by a foreign government, but they are also pedophiles. Do you see how serious this is? It's not just about whether or not Epstein was a creep, it's whether about every single elite in our government is a creep. Can you imagine? And you know what? I bet. I bet. There's a conversation. that goes on saying, you know what, if it comes out that two thirds of the American government, maybe two thirds of every single government in the entire world is on this Epstein list, which that's obviously a big number, but let's say half, let's say half of the leaders of the world. mean, pay Diddy had a sex trafficking ring. Those client lists are long gone. We know that there that involves people like LeBron James because he talked about how great the Diddy parties were. And look, I'll go out here and even say this. I know it's not a very cavalier or conservative viewpoint. That's fine. I don't consider myself conservative, but if you want to have some sort of massive sex party with all the elites, I say by all means go for it. It's your prerogative as long as everyone's consenting and as long as everybody's an adult do whatever you want. But the problem occurs whenever we're talking about underage kids, whenever we're talking about the elite being blackmailed by foreign governments. And this isn't crazy. What's crazy about this is that this is nothing new because Hollywood was busted for this as well. This was the Dan Snyder of Nickelodeon. I mean, guys, again, going back to no coincidences, if you look at the Nickelodeon and you know, fine, we can say this is coincidence. But if you look at the Nickelodeon, uh the like the little slime thing that's on their logo, it's exactly like St. James Island. It's exactly like Epstein Island. If you look at Disney. They have the blue and the white like kind of stripped on their castle. It's exactly like Epstein's Island. Guys, none of these coincidences are just coincidences. And so all of this, all of this leads me to believe. Well, I'm not gonna say what it leads me to believe because I think you can put one in one together. I you know it equals two and. Yeah, I don't know at this point what more needs to be said because even where this chaos even gets crazier is Trump came out on True Social and even posted something, I think it was like a couple days ago, basically saying that the Dems and Biden and Hillary and Kamala all put together this Epstein client list and put his name on it. So now he's already doing damage control if he is on it. All of this is just a complete just Insanity. Insanity is the only word I have for it because that's what it feels like. It feels like all of this is just insanity. And, and I think that is done on purpose to fatigue the Americans into trying to view somewhere else or to put your attention elsewhere so that you no longer have to look at the fact that America's captured as a capture by a foreign entity and it's captured by a honeypot sex trafficking ring. And they all fell for it because at some level they're pedophiles. I mean, What other conclusion can be created from this? What other conclusion? The only other possible conclusion could be is that they know who's on this file and if they fall in line, then they won't release their names, right? But they're using the blackmail essentially against them. But I would argue as an American, I would argue that this country was based on freedom, based on freedom of choice, freedom of expression, freedom of pursuit of happiness. And I think that when you withhold knowledge and you withhold information from people, it makes it very difficult for them to trust you. If you can't trust your government, then how are we supposed to be able to pursue happiness? How are we be able to pursue joy? How are we able to pursue these things in life? Because it's only going to make you more frustrated with the government. It's only going to create more charades, more hoopla, more distractions for you to look at. So I don't know. I'd be very interested to know what you guys make of this. ah Personally, I think you can kind of figure out what I think of it all. I think it's all just a giant, a giant scheme. I think it validates that. The Democrats and the Republicans are one bird, two wings of the same bird, and that we need the American Congress party. I don't think that there is going to be another option. I think we have to exchange out essentially the elites of the world because all they have done is create chaos. They have created dysfunction. We no longer can get poison free food. I mean, even oh my gosh, like the food I'm getting at my grocery store now is just absolute trash. All the fruits are poisoned. All the vegetables are poisoned. I have to even get farmers market and even that quality of food starting to deteriorate because the amount of glyphosate, the amount of pesticides and herbicides that they're spraying into the into our environment, the amount of atricine and fluoride they're putting into our water. And yet they're going to sit here and distract us with Epstein. I mean, don't get me wrong. It's still very important to just be released. That's information that should be out there. But it has a double edged sword. It's a double edged effect. Right. Because now we're not talking about the things that actually matter like peace in the world. Right. And I'll give Trump credit on that. He's like, he's right. Like, why are we still talking about this? Why are we still talking about this guy? We have the issues in Texas. We have the floods in Texas. We have the floods in Kansas. And he's right. Those are problems. But the reason we're still talking about this is because you and your administration have decided to lie and then to try to gaslight the American people. When look, millennials, our generation invented gaslighting. So you as a boomer are not going to be able to out gaslight our generation. And I think that this is causing a tremendous amount of backlash on Trump because I've started I follow him on Instagram. And if you look at the comments under his pictures, it's like It's not good. This dude is getting trounced and I want him. I want to see it. I want to see it. I want him to go to the next UFC event and he probably won't go until he gets like some sort of big win because everything between Iran and this Epstein file list. I think he's just going to get he'll get booed out of the stadium. And I mean, I don't know. Last few times he's gone to UFC has got like standing ovations, but All I can see guys and this is my spirituality kicking in is that he's losing energy. He's losing political energy and people are going to sit there and be like, well, I guess this is why you should have voted for Kamala. Kamala would have been so much better. And it's like guys, you don't you don't understand. You just don't get it. I mean, I don't know how else to say it, but you just don't get it that they're the same exact thing. Kamala wasn't going to put out the list. I don't even know if she talked about the Epstein list at all. She wasn't going to do it. I mean, all of our officials are just bought off by AIPAC. It's just, it's absolute, it's absolute terrible. It's just complete terrible thing after terrible thing. Promises broken, promises broken. And, you know, I think that's for everyone else to rectify on their own. If you voted for him, I did not vote for him in this election cycle. I think that, you know, I voted for the American Congress party president, Rachel Fiore, because, you know, we need, we need someone else. And I just need someone who's not blackmailed by Massad or the CIA. That's honestly what we need. But we'll see if we get that we deserve it. Look, you, American people deserve that. And in order for you to reclaim what you deserve is you need to start putting your foot down and taking it. You need to start supporting the American Congress Party however you can, whether that's donating, whether that's getting involved, whether that's talking about it, whether that's sharing this podcast, sharing this YouTube video, sharing this Rumble video, whatever it is, it's 100 % on you. Okay? So I appreciate you guys and I'm looking at the time now and so I want to apologize to my editor because I know this is going to be a longer one, especially with the number of times that we said. But what I was trying to say was, that we will see.